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I've never liked Jack Straw much, but what he said about the niqab the other day was right on the money and has since been twisted out of persctive.

In today's Grauniad, the Roman Catholic journalist Martin Newland has a rant about the right of him and others to express their faith without criticism.
I've said it before and I'll say it again - I'm no fan of Jack Straw's and I never have been but I know exactly where he was coming from on the niqab issue, and it wasn't coming from an attack on his muslim constituents in Blackburn.

There's one thing that separates the niqab of a Muslim woman from the turban of a Sikh, or the kippah or a Jew, or the crucifix of a Christian. When I was a child I was taught that it was bad manners to cover my mouth when I was speaking. Communication is about much more than simply making noises, it's about the movements, subtle and otherwise, that add inflections to the words. How often have any of us said, or been told, "Look at me when you talk to me"? I find it disconcerting when I can't see the face of the person speaking to me,

I lived in London for a number of years - in Notting Hill as it happens, an area where many ethnic groups and a wide economic spread manages to live more-or-less in harmony. In many ways that harmony is maintained by maintaining a kind of social distance. In Blackburn, on the other hand, as with much of North-West England, there's been a tradition of greater social openness. You see a neighbour, you don't just say a cursory hello, you stop to discuss the state of the weather, the health of the dog, and whatever else is on the agenda for the day. Walking to the local shops is a major expedition not to be undertaken lightly. In this climate, those who exercise their entirely reasonable personal right to stand apart will not become invisible but stand out, find themselves the object of curiosity and suspicion, and not out of malice. It's a bit like the person who goes into a noisy pub and demands that the juke-box be turned off because he can't hear himself think.

Martin Newland's faith is his right, and it's also his right to express it. What isn't his, or anybody else's, right is to demand that everybody else should share it. To my mind, faith involves belief without questioning, and it goes against my particular grain to take everything as a given and not to question it. Faith must be an individual matter. It should also involve respect for the rights of others not to follow it.

Ultimately, the problem with the niqab is that, whether the wearer intends it or not, it is seen as a criticism of the society around the wearer. Rather like the masks worn by militant cyclists, which may well protect the wearer from traffic fumes but which also make a statement about a traffic-obsessed society. Me, I like to colour my hair, wear lipstick, show my legs occasionally. I don't think that makes me a sex-object (as if!), and I rather resent the implication that I, along with the society I represent, am corrupt, depraved, and immoral.

I respect the right of anybody to make a stand, but that right should also involve consideration of the effect of that stand on others. After all, they think they are right, but I know I am right!

Date: 2006-10-16 10:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thermalsatsuma.livejournal.com
So, how come men don't wear the veil to protect them from the lustful gaze of women? It's a gross insult to suggest that all men are incapable of controlling their sexual desires, whilst women are precious innocent flowers that must be protected at all costs. Should a gay man wear the veil as well?

Oh hang on, they don't allow gay muslims, do they ... :-(

Date: 2006-10-16 10:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fruhlings.livejournal.com
I don't know much about Muslim culture/traditions (except what I posted above), but like I said, take a long hard look at Western society (let's see: stick-thin women being exploited as fashion models, fat women being constantly mocked in the media, women of color being fetishized or just plain ignored when it comes to romance in movies, "gonzo" porn...shall I go on?) before we criticize others. That's not to say that we can't look at the patriarchal influences in Islam, but we can't be Mighty Whitey Liberal (a general term, not a personal insult) and look down upon other societies as "less civilized" or try to save the "oppressed" women. It's dangerous when one employs the lens of Western civilization instead of cultural relativism.

Date: 2006-10-17 08:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swanofkennet.livejournal.com
Louisa, meet Neil. Neil, meet Louisa. Be careful Louisa, he's got a sword and he's pretty nifty with it!

I think the aspects of Western society that you describe are pretty marginal, or at least they are to the people of Blackburn that Jack Straw represents. Muslims have been commonplace in British society for a long time now, at least since the 1960s when many were expelled from East Africa. They introduced the late-opening corner shop and the ubiquitous curry house, and were pretty much an institution. The men wore western clothes and the women wore, if not western clothes too, the shalmar kameez, which looks rather elegant.

Formal "islamic" dress is something new, someting that only really became common, ooh. about four years ago (I wonder what happened about then?). And the wearers aren't, on the whol;e, incomers, they are the children of westernised parents who are withdrawing into a ghetto of their own making.

Louisa, I think you might have been as appalled as I was a while back, just before I left Reading. A young Bangladeshi couple with a baby were in the doctor's reception registering with the practice. He wore an open-necked shirt, and jeans, held the baby and did all the talking. She wore full jilbab with niqab, stood back minding the pushchair, and said nothing. When they left the man was pushing the baby in the pushchair and the woman followed a few paces behind. That doesn't look like a relationship of equality to me.

You might be interested in this article by Polly Toynbee (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,1924021,00.html) in today's Grauniad.

Date: 2006-10-17 05:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fruhlings.livejournal.com
I don't agree with treating women as lessers, but I feel, again, that if we are to support women's rights in Islamic societies, we cannot go in with a condescending attitude a la Heart of Darkness: "These poor, uncivilized people, knowing nothing of women's rights! We must save them from themselves!" I believe we can support feminist movements in the Islamic world without excessively judging their culture. Western society isn't the pinnacle of civilization, after all. ;)

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